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Title: Over Banking in turn
Post by: Brock on August 01, 2025, 07:38:52 AM
I was watching THIS (http:// http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ousBMpklVok"") video yesterday and noticed that while in a constant banked turn that opposite aileron was being used to counteract an apperent over banking tendency.  Is this common with everyone's XL builds.  I also saw a short thread (http:// https://www.eaglersnest.com/forum/index.php?topic=2178.0"") about modifying their aileron bell crank to provide differential alieron control.  I'm wondering if the took care of the over banking.

Also, I'm still searching for the post(s) about using a longer aileron control horn.  I'll find it eventually, unless someone points me to it first.  Thnx!
Title: Re: Over Banking in turn
Post by: pappyadkins on August 01, 2025, 10:06:58 AM
I'll be following along with ya on this... but keep in mind everyone builds differently... I've seen many without much dihedral and or washout... both of which would affect performance... I just wonder if over banking issues are related to wing profile or rigging... interested to see responses...
Title: Re: Over Banking in turn
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on August 01, 2025, 04:13:38 PM
Bullet does this.. not to a great extent, but it is noticeable. There is no adverse yaw with the Iron Design ailerons, though. Initiate the turn with aileron, recover with rudder just like a cub. Bullet has both dihedral and wash out. From failing memory, I extended the horn driving the ailerons 1" because it seemed I was having to stir the stick quite a bit in chop. It improved that.
Title: Re: Over Banking in turn
Post by: Tom H on August 02, 2025, 06:00:10 AM
We set up DE Stubby and LEU Treehugger to have differential aileron movement by modifying the aileron bellcranks.  Seems to work well.
Title: Re: Over Banking in turn
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on August 03, 2025, 04:27:51 AM
We set up DE Stubby and LEU Treehugger to have differential aileron movement by modifying the aileron bellcranks.  Seems to work well.
Ooh, I would be into that. Do you have dimensions? Picture?  I'd hate to have to think.. :grin:
Title: Re: Over Banking in turn
Post by: jrbirdman47 on August 03, 2025, 04:53:00 AM
Thinking weakens the team........
Title: Re: Over Banking in turn
Post by: Tom H on August 03, 2025, 05:49:36 AM
Here are pics of the aileron bellcrank on DE Stubby.  LEU Treehugger has similar.  You should be able to estimate the angles.
Title: Re: Over Banking in turn
Post by: Brock on August 03, 2025, 06:37:50 AM
Thanks Tom.  I did see an old thread someplace where those (or like them) were made at 10 degrees.  So, as I understand it, differential ailerons is more about adjusting out adverse yaw.  Did it eliminate the overbanking as well?
Title: Re: Over Banking in turn
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on August 03, 2025, 06:50:48 AM
Thanks, Tom.. ahh, no thinking. My kind of job.  :)
Title: Re: Over Banking in turn
Post by: Tom H on August 04, 2025, 06:10:43 AM
Thanks Tom.  I did see an old thread someplace where those (or like them) were made at 10 degrees.  So, as I understand it, differential ailerons is more about adjusting out adverse yaw.  Did it eliminate the overbanking as well?
DE Stubby does not seem to overbank, but I don't know if the bellcrank mod had this effect - we never used the plan's version.  Unless the air is completely still, these airplanes respond to air currents, turbulence, so flight corrections are often required.
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