Eagler's Nest
General Category => Off Topics and General Interest => Topic started by: rockiedog2 on November 22, 2013, 06:25:19 PM
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Much Double Eagle iin this thing. DE spars shortened to 9 ft, most tube sizes DE derived, DE has been the weight yardstick since the beginning. Many other DE features such as the basket weave seat, others. Target weight 500# with small Continental
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pics didnt come thru try again
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Mr Moderator when i click on the pic only half of it fits. can u fix it and tell how so I can do it next time thx
Joe
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That's reel nice lookin man. Looks snazzy. Dont forget to integrate a camera mount into the airframe. Looks nice n tall....how big a prop is frank gluin up for ya. I was a sceptic at first....kinna warmin up to it. Might even get to likin it with some time to bond.
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you just wait Weasel...it might actually be good
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when i click on the pic only half of it fits...
Joe,
In order of importance:
- Make sure your browser window is maximized
- set your screen resolution to the highest you can live with
- Install FireFox browser
The pics are automatically re-sized to 1024 x 768 if they are larger than that when uploaded. They are not re-sized if smaller than 1024 x 768.
If your screen resolution is very near the pic size you will get the scroll bar, no matter if you have a 4 foot wide screen.
If your refresh rate is below 60 you will get a headache if you look at the computer screen very long... see attached.
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Hey btw..we need a small step for rockie. I'm concerned as he is now in the golden years and needs assisted care. Its asking a lot for him to take such a giant step to crawl in. If he would slip and fall or something it could brake a bone and he would not be able to get up. As he gets older he will be emberrassed more and more if there are activities that he can not partisapate in because of physical limitations.
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Weasel you tird you aren't talking about Rockie...
I'm just glad i made it this far
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Joe, looks good. Took a lot of care to minimize drag. As forr Rockie, you took care of him, looks like he will have a snooze bed in the back.
What is the airfoil. Seems that the bottom is curved more than the Eagles' wings.
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That baggage shelf is a big deal for me, I like it! Does the main gear have any give? Great job!
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Nice. I like the RV style trim tab.
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Hi Jerry its an RV3 tail
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Hi Jerry its an RV3 tail
Ah, I thought so. Looks good.
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Joe,
That is really looking good!
Looks like it might be a good traveling machine.
Bill
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But what about the wing airfoil? I asked about it a while ago, but nothing but silence. Looks like it has a curved bottom, not flat like the Eagles. Can you tell us, or is it proprietary or maybe even TOP SECRET?
Tom H
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I think he somehow got the file from lockeed on the SR-72
But what about the wing airfoil? I asked about it a while ago, but nothing but silence. Looks like it has a curved bottom, not flat like the Eagles. Can you tell us, or is it proprietary or maybe even TOP SECRET?
Tom H
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the airfoil is the old 23012. classic old school...
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Oh! I stand corrected:-X
the airfoil is the old 23012. classic old school...
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schweet
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Dan
I ckd the refresh rate and it was on 59. Highest offered is 60 so I set that. Ive been getting eye strain on this new pc til reset the resolution lower...that helped. And as I think you said I can't see all the pics at once at that rez. Learn sumpin every day. Yday I discovered Windows Explorer. wow...
Thx Spencer
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Anything less than 70 on the old CRT's would drive me crazy. Refresh on the LCD flat screens doesn't seem to do much. Mine are all at 60.
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Joe,
Set the res to the highest (native) setting and go get some eye glasses. You will have much more real estate to work with and much, much less scrolling around with sliders.
The CRT screens flicker and give head aches if the refresh rate is under 70. The LCD screens are back lit so don't flicker in the same way, but motion can be choppy I suppose...
Post reply
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Mr Admin i just tried to post another pic as an attachment and no joy...
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Joe,
It's fixed now. The problem yesterday got fixed, but killed the attachments. It took all day, but I think it will be smooth sailing now... Send it on in..!:o
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to test attachment
bout the same size except the new one has a huge cockpit
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WOW! Putt Putt has a bad a** offspring.
Sweet, Real Sweet!!
She don't look slow.
Bill
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Spence,
Man what a good looking airplane.
Part Swick-T, part Double Eagle with the overall size of Vagabond. Love the fact only two tubes to look out through in the windshield not the Bird-Strainer a T-Craft is. If you do a single strut version with 2 seats side by side, people will be banging your doors down for plans.
My best,
Anthony
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Great looking design. Got a Monocoupe attitude going on.
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Wow professor Sir,
That is gunna be a good looking bird. sleek, smooth...... and i'm sure light!
is that an O-200?
And a little extra nose height for a full power take off. ;)
High Noon
SHANE
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howdy boys
i weighed the thing a while back and got weak kneed. projected way over what i was hoping for but still way under Utt's plane. as long as his doesn't weigh any more than a Hawg he's happy. i was hoping for 550 but looks more like 600. still under Hubbuch's too. well i dont know where it could be lightened up much but i'm gettin weight off of it every where i can. by going to all lt wt accessories i can get a bunch off at only 170$ a #. think it was 3200 which was starter alternator and the new lt wt slick mags. well we gotta pay to play. havent decided to pay that yet this plane may be a total dud. will decide after flying it a couple x. if i survive that many flights
thx for all the kind comments i'll post up a new pic before long
you boys are sweet boys
Spencer
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Come on Joe, Witman's tailwind was 685 lb. empty. I think.
It wasn't a turd. I mean Hawg.
If I take the chute and fittings off I'm at 600 :P
BTW, Put Put made the AOPA gallery.
Bill
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Hi Utt
Wittman built heavy stuff. I need to be way lighter than a Tailwind.
you got a link to that AOPA gallery?
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thx Utt PuttPutt is kinda famous
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still no joy! Try their site.???
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Here is the Aopa pic... I'm hitting the insert picture icon and pasting the url I copied out of the browser address bar. HINT: it only needs one "http:"
PS... I am also hitting the "preview" button to see what will be sent when I hit "Post", and so I keep working on it until it looks right before I send it. Hint hint...;)
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thanks Dan.
Will work on the "hint, hint" :P
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thanks Dan. Will work on the "hint, hint" :P
No prob dude...8)
Thanks for the great pic. It's awesome big when you click it... would make a great desktop background.
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Rockiedog, just to set the facts straight, DE Stubby is 565 lbs empty. That's with ELT, accessorized engine, bunch of stuff on the panel, doors, radio.
Don't get me wrong, not bragging, for sure. Some day we may start trying to trim some fat.
I sure hope you can get a single place below that.
Tom H
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Thom i think its gonna go 600. but its a full cab with a continental and 3 big tanks probably about 30 gallons and full electric. the motor is 215...i'm cuttin weight everywhere i can. we'll see. i'm glad you aren't bragging about 565 Thom
thx for the pic Utt i feared it might be one of it on its nose
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bout the same size except the new one has a huge cockpit
Hey why do ya need the Huge cockpit? looked to me like the LE cockpit was adequate. You keep tellin me that anything more than adequate is just dead weight. whats with that?
you packin on some extra pounds over there joe?:o
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i'm tired of being jammed in little bitty cockpits. it gets my claustrophobia stirred up. so i'll just have to live with the weight...if there is any extra. if i had made it narrower then the landing gear legs would have had to be longer and maybe go up a size/wall and its already big heavy tubes so i think its pretty much a wash...maybe even lighter since the wings woulda had to be longer too.
i know you're just looking for something to rag on me about Weasel
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i'm tired of being jammed in little bitty cockpits. it gets my claustrophobia stirred up. so i'll just have to live with the weight...if there is any extra. if i had made it narrower then the landing gear legs would have had to be longer and maybe go up a size/wall and its already big heavy tubes so i think its pretty much a wash...maybe even lighter since the wings woulda had to be longer too.
i know you're just looking for something to rag on me about Weasel
When I rag ya about stuff I usually learn sumthin new...its why i do it.
See I would have never known about the claustrophobia issue. now i do:)
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>>>> I'm tired of being jammed in little bitty cockpits. it gets my claustrophobia stirred up.
The design looks visually pleasing, over-all.
Now this is more of a "What if " question, than anything else :
What if we raise the seat-bottom by another 4 to 6 inches.
Would it not increase all-around visibility without moving the CG longitudinally...
Or would it affect the handling ?
Thanks
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Tom....all of Spencer's info on his new bird is delivered on a 'Need to know' basis....and you don't need to know....yet...
He's still building....
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>>>What if we raise the seat-bottom by another 4 to 6 inches.
Would it not increase all-around visibility without moving the CG longitudinally...
raising the seat 4-6" would drastically alter the design
the roof would have to be raised a like amount(i got 1-2" headroom now). raising the top 4-6" of course means more weight, more frontal area, much larger windshield which means go up a w/s thickness which means more weight(its already too thin), some tubes possibly upsized cause of the increased dimensions, slower plane due the increased frontal area and weight, reduced climb due same reason, altered vertical cg which i think may already be a little high(the gear is narrow and moving 24 gallons 6" higher wud probably have to widen the gear so more weight and drag)...and it goes on and on.
the thing is designed pretty close and 4-6" height increase is a big deal...the domino theory.
yes the viz on the ground is terrible...eyelevel strikes about the mags on the back of the motor and its pretty wide up forward. we'll have to fly it like the little biplanes with no forward viz forward when 3 point. peripheral vision out the sides with eyes straight ahead is enuf to keep it straight. shortening the gear would have helped that and decreased the drag and weight but then it wouldn't have "the look" so we accepted those disadvantages. and blind adds to the challenge. will probably go mostly wheel landings. if i ever get it finished.
thx for the thought
Spencer
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The design looks visually pleasing, over-all.
What if we raise the seat-bottom by another 4 to 6 inches.
We cant do that it would detract from the overall theme of the machine.
Ya gotta ride kina low and let the seat back some around here so that ya sit rite lined up wit da door post man!
might even put some spinners on it. See 8)
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Hey Joe, Have you started coverin this new design yet?
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a few new pics. took as long to do the nosebowl and cowling as to do the basic fuse. well, maybe cause i had to do both twice. spent the afternoon cutting the fuse up and moving the top longs down to the leading edge of the stab. it looked too heavy and fat back there. should be better. i'm in the semi-burnout stage right now...need a week on some beach drinking beer. but will keep soldiering on.
Spencer
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Good
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OH! How sweet it is.
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Interesting setup for the gear suspension. Is that original?
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She's looking good Joe!!!:) Great work. Looks like Rookie Dog approves as well. Thanks for the update. Randy from Flora.
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Nice nosebowl and fit-up of the cowling and windshield. Making really good progress, too.
Tom H
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hey spenser, if your burned out come over here. after helping us out for a week you would be glad to get back to that thing.
hey we would even put ya up for the nights and feed ya
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you guys building a cabin eagle of some sort might be interested in this
its a door based on the Zenith 701 door very light and strong. if i was building it for an Eagle i wud cover it with 1.7 oz fabric stead of AL. a light duty AL piano hinge at the front pop riveted to the door and the airframe vertical. Avex 4 pop rivets for all structural apps. hardware store AL for the lexan window.
weighs 2.5# with the map pocket about 2# w/o the pocket and covered with fabric. it's a good door...
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Some nice racks up there. Could use one as a hood ornament.
Door looks good. I'll have to do something like that on my cabin. A project for next winter.
Rob
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That things lookin rite
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before and after of lowering the top longeron 4" at the tail. did away with that heavy clumsy look at the tail.
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Hey rockie, roll over. atta boy
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yep, sure did slick it up.
That Rockie is a ham!
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look between the wheels in the first pic. there he is...
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no doubt about it
a dog knows a dog when he see's one;)
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that pitiful looking varmunt in the first pic was in the coffee shop the other day and a little kid asked his daddy "is that old man a homeless person?"
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Joe,
That's looking stylish. Must have been a lot of work trimming the vertical tubes down to change the angle? Yep, that was a question and a statement I guess. Can't wait to see it fly.
Scott J.
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That kid must have caught you on one of your bad days!
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Joe,
That's looking stylish. Must have been a lot of work trimming the vertical tubes down to change the angle? Yep, that was a question and a statement I guess. Can't wait to see it fly.
Scott J.
well, actually it only took about 2 hours to figure out the easiest way and then do it. that didn't include the finish welding just mig tacked. i compromised and lowered it aft of Sta 4 which is a large complicated cluster . it would have taken* a while* to lower that one. if you look at the pic there's only 2 stations aft of 4. i took a shortcut which violates the very principal we've been talking about in the bent cabanes thread...instead of cutting out the diagonals i heated then and bent them as close as possible to the cluster. yep against 43.13 but from experience jury rigging so much stuff the last 5 or 6 decades i'm confident it will be fine. but if it was much of a bend or bent somewhere away from the cluster a ways i would have cut those out. remaking the fairing around the 2 stabilizers took longer than the fuse mod.
thanks for all the kind comments. you boys are sweet boys.
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That kid must have caught you on one of your bad days!
naw Utt one of the good days
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Joe,
Are you going to fair in the fuselage with stringers or are you going to just fabric over the tube structure? On our L-3, it only has three stringers. One on the bottom and one on each side about even with the bottom of the side window from the rear of the door frame ending about a foot from the rudder post. Just curious. The L-3 has minimal wood work.Nothing like a champ.
Scott J.
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In that before and after picture, what is that doggy rolling on it's back laughing about?
The "reduced crossection" version looks better......Rather resembles a Piper Pacer.... :^)
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What is that vertical piece of aluminum behind the pilots seat in the after pic??
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>>>What is that vertical piece of aluminum behind the pilots seat in the after pic??
baggage compartment
>>>In that before and after picture, what is that doggy rolling on it's back laughing about?
he's cracking up that his master thinks he might can design a plane
>>>Are you going to fair in the fuselage with stringers or are you going to just fabric over the tube structure?
it gets one stringer per surface
>>>Some nice racks up there.
my kids...they go into a blood lust during deer season.
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Hey spenser
hows it coming over there.
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been gettin a little done lately
these pics have a lot of wide angle effect. the plane is stubbier and not as tall in the cockpit area
Rockie thinks its gonna be OK
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Check on that right rudder cable there. Looks like the peddle hit the floor.
Looks nice.
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we were talkin the diff fabric options a while back; especially about latex and costs. i just bought all the Polyfiber to do this one. 2.7 oz fabric, all the diff coatings thru Polytone, glue, reinforcing tape, finishing tape, rib stitch cord etc etc. 903 + shipping. call it 1000$. oughta be near the same for a DE, less for the little ones
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Check on that right rudder cable there. Looks like the peddle hit the floor.
Looks nice.
yeah.
the other wide angle effect is those feet arent near that big either. look about size 20s. that was with a gopro hero3 set for stills at Medium for the focal length. need to set it on narrow and move the cam back a ways
should get the rest of the finishing tapes on there tomorrow and maybe start spraying Polybrush and Polyspray.
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Lookin good Joe,
Gonna be ready to fly it to Oshkosh this year. Or are you gonna fly the GREEN Machine up.. you gotta be here for Leonards big BIG birthday.
Scott
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a little progress
first taxi today. blind as a bat, no brakes, major oil leak. ops normal...
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:)Throw a rag on that wing and take it up man. Looks good
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thx
look back at i think it was post 75 in this thread on june 1 and see what it looked like. fuse just covered. and was outa town near 3 weeks...made pretty good progress lately; course the whole place is 8 feet deep in weeds. neglect. at least our priorities are right.
you at OSH?
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Naw. I been there enough for a while. :)
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That is one cool lookin' airplane!
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Very very nice looking!!
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thanks for the kind comments you boys are sweet
there are a lotta things i would do diff...like curve the longerons in aft of the wing for a more antiquey look. and llose a little weight too. but i didnt like that look at the time i laid out the fuse. but to me now it looks like it would have looked better; more streamlined, lighter looking, not quite so slab sided and probably better xwind handling. it could still be done take probably a couple weeks; have to cut out a bunch of diagonals and reposition. maybe next year think i'll just get it going for now. theres other prototype type warts here and there too but the thing should work. may look better when get that dark gray primer painted silver same as the fuse.
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I think it looks real good. Maybe not antique but at least a vintage look. Nice and solid looking. I'm sure you built in more refinements than the so-called warts.
Thought I better throw in some sweetness, too.
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Hey spencer!
I hope all is well.
Is This New Thing (TNT) flying yet? You aren't wasting your time on the computer lately so there should be some progress.
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Mr. Spencer,
The lowered longerons on your bird remind me of the five place Maules.
They raised the longerons through the aft of the cabin to give that poor fifth fellow some head room.
-Donavon
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That's SUPER!! Way to go Joe!!!
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Nice Work Joe